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	<description>A weblog by Ernie Hsiung</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-77070</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope none of you feel bad about not getting on Bear411.  A friend encouraged me to put a profile there so I did.  I&#039;m big, hairy, bearded etc. but had not been involved with the bear community at all.  Not sure if it was just the guys I happened to meet, or if it is just a normal part of the gay culture but most of the guys there are just looking for hookups.  They may say they&#039;re looking for a relationship, even tell you they love you, but when they&#039;ve had their fun they&#039;re off looking for the next conquest.
I deleted my profile after less than a year. Bear411 is no place for a nice guy with a good heart.  If you got rejected by them upfront, count yourself lucky!  It may have saved you alot of heartache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope none of you feel bad about not getting on Bear411.  A friend encouraged me to put a profile there so I did.  I&#8217;m big, hairy, bearded etc. but had not been involved with the bear community at all.  Not sure if it was just the guys I happened to meet, or if it is just a normal part of the gay culture but most of the guys there are just looking for hookups.  They may say they&#8217;re looking for a relationship, even tell you they love you, but when they&#8217;ve had their fun they&#8217;re off looking for the next conquest.<br />
I deleted my profile after less than a year. Bear411 is no place for a nice guy with a good heart.  If you got rejected by them upfront, count yourself lucky!  It may have saved you alot of heartache.</p>
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		<title>By: kleegnitz</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-57815</link>
		<dc:creator>kleegnitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernie, terrific post! As a big gay white guy who used to be a much smaller gay white guy, I can relate only in part to what I had sensed as a general eschewing by the folks to whom I was most often attracted. I applaud your ability to be whateverish about it, I wasn&#039;t as resilient; and it hurt. 

Due to genetics and an affinity for cheese, I gained considerable weight and blossomed hirsutely a little later in life than most. Although I now find it easier to socialize in ursine circles [though choose more often not to], I remind myself often what it was like *not* to be welcomed to the party. And frankly, there are always reminders. Rejection runs rampant regardless of one&#039;s personal standards. 

But I think the thing that many who have responded to your post seem to misunderstand is that &quot;Bear Community&quot; is a gross misnomer. The concept of &quot;community&quot; transcends the meet-and-greet-and-meat of a Lone Star or a bear event or a bear website. And although there are exceptions, it should be noted that the initial thing that brings these folks together is what they look like, and often what they like physically. That&#039;s not community, that&#039;s fetish and personal taste. 

Don&#039;t let the hugginess fool you. Regardless of what the sub-press and hype might claim with regard to acceptance-of-all and semi-utopian vision of this particular gay subculture, bear people are just that: people. And individual people have different tastes, and will have different reactions to other people and situations. The Bear Movement [ugh] is not monolithic, it is as varied as those who comprise it. 

We can take minimal comfort in the fact that until about 1988 [I was there], there was no such thing as bears, and many guys who had been considered undesirable were suddenly the king of the prom. Consider it an overreaction, or at least, taking one&#039;s own spin seriously, but these same fellas saw certain poetic justice in treating other guys like crap, because that&#039;s the end of the stick they were used to. As I say, minimal comfort, but we&#039;ve all seen it in one form or another. 

To Frank&#039;s March 19th post: we need to be careful with bandying about terms like KKK. It simply isn&#039;t fair to those who treat others kindly and without apparent prejudice. And really, the Ku Klux Klan?! C&#039;mon! Those are pretty strong [and erroneous] words. The KKK is way more organized, for one; and has a history of lynching, burning crosses on lawns, and running for political office. Most bear event attendees just want to get laid ... huuuuge difference.


Regarding Bear411: fuck &#039;im. It&#039;s one guy&#039;s website. Sure, its popularity nudges it to crossing the line into some sort of public service, but it isn&#039;t, it&#039;s just one guy [and a small team] and his gatekeeping opinion. Go elsewhere. I have. It&#039;s a big world, and a big web. bearciti is terrific, so is bearwww. bigmusclebears is good, too, though for finding friends, can be a little specific for some. 

Thanks again for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernie, terrific post! As a big gay white guy who used to be a much smaller gay white guy, I can relate only in part to what I had sensed as a general eschewing by the folks to whom I was most often attracted. I applaud your ability to be whateverish about it, I wasn&#8217;t as resilient; and it hurt. </p>
<p>Due to genetics and an affinity for cheese, I gained considerable weight and blossomed hirsutely a little later in life than most. Although I now find it easier to socialize in ursine circles [though choose more often not to], I remind myself often what it was like *not* to be welcomed to the party. And frankly, there are always reminders. Rejection runs rampant regardless of one&#8217;s personal standards. </p>
<p>But I think the thing that many who have responded to your post seem to misunderstand is that &#8220;Bear Community&#8221; is a gross misnomer. The concept of &#8220;community&#8221; transcends the meet-and-greet-and-meat of a Lone Star or a bear event or a bear website. And although there are exceptions, it should be noted that the initial thing that brings these folks together is what they look like, and often what they like physically. That&#8217;s not community, that&#8217;s fetish and personal taste. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the hugginess fool you. Regardless of what the sub-press and hype might claim with regard to acceptance-of-all and semi-utopian vision of this particular gay subculture, bear people are just that: people. And individual people have different tastes, and will have different reactions to other people and situations. The Bear Movement [ugh] is not monolithic, it is as varied as those who comprise it. </p>
<p>We can take minimal comfort in the fact that until about 1988 [I was there], there was no such thing as bears, and many guys who had been considered undesirable were suddenly the king of the prom. Consider it an overreaction, or at least, taking one&#8217;s own spin seriously, but these same fellas saw certain poetic justice in treating other guys like crap, because that&#8217;s the end of the stick they were used to. As I say, minimal comfort, but we&#8217;ve all seen it in one form or another. </p>
<p>To Frank&#8217;s March 19th post: we need to be careful with bandying about terms like KKK. It simply isn&#8217;t fair to those who treat others kindly and without apparent prejudice. And really, the Ku Klux Klan?! C&#8217;mon! Those are pretty strong [and erroneous] words. The KKK is way more organized, for one; and has a history of lynching, burning crosses on lawns, and running for political office. Most bear event attendees just want to get laid &#8230; huuuuge difference.</p>
<p>Regarding Bear411: fuck &#8216;im. It&#8217;s one guy&#8217;s website. Sure, its popularity nudges it to crossing the line into some sort of public service, but it isn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just one guy [and a small team] and his gatekeeping opinion. Go elsewhere. I have. It&#8217;s a big world, and a big web. bearciti is terrific, so is bearwww. bigmusclebears is good, too, though for finding friends, can be a little specific for some. </p>
<p>Thanks again for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-44600</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your post.  I&#039;m a chaser so I thought I&#039;d be welcome...instead I get this cryptic message that I can&#039;t reply to (it bounces) stating that &quot;my profile cannot be approved.&quot;  No explanation, no support, nothing.  And this turd has the temerity to create a &quot;fan&quot; site called bear411love.com in which all these guys (understandably) say how much they appreciate the site.  Well thanks for providing a voice to those of us who were dissed without even the kindness of an explanatory message.  I&#039;ll stick with biggercity and other personals sites and will advise others to avoid bear411 entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your post.  I&#8217;m a chaser so I thought I&#8217;d be welcome&#8230;instead I get this cryptic message that I can&#8217;t reply to (it bounces) stating that &#8220;my profile cannot be approved.&#8221;  No explanation, no support, nothing.  And this turd has the temerity to create a &#8220;fan&#8221; site called bear411love.com in which all these guys (understandably) say how much they appreciate the site.  Well thanks for providing a voice to those of us who were dissed without even the kindness of an explanatory message.  I&#8217;ll stick with biggercity and other personals sites and will advise others to avoid bear411 entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-44118</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever go to a bear event? Nothing but fat white guys. You might as well call it a gay Klu Klux Klan rally.</description>
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		<title>By: little. yellow. different. &#8211; Rainbow Nation and Gay Asian Male Stereotypes</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-36865</link>
		<dc:creator>little. yellow. different. &#8211; Rainbow Nation and Gay Asian Male Stereotypes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I hung out with the bear subculture for a while, but that didn&#8217;t make things any better - an experience with discrimination there is one of the reasons why I started [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I hung out with the bear subculture for a while, but that didn&#8217;t make things any better &#8211; an experience with discrimination there is one of the reasons why I started [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; Rainbow Nation and Gay Asian Male Stereotypes: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-36854</link>
		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; Rainbow Nation and Gay Asian Male Stereotypes: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I hung out with the bear subculture for a while, but that didn&#8217;t make things any better - an experience with discrimination there is one of the reasons why I started [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I hung out with the bear subculture for a while, but that didn&#8217;t make things any better &#8211; an experience with discrimination there is one of the reasons why I started [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-28301</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. I&#039;ve had the same problems at times, but a lot of bears are pretty welcoming. Gay men can be very cliquish. As a kind of twinky guy who pretty much dates bear/cub types exclusively, I&#039;ve often felt resentment from other twinky guys when I&#039;ve brought a bear along to a twinky place. You can see it in their eyes, &quot;What are you doing?&quot; and &quot;Such a waste. Tragic, really.&quot; I&#039;ve felt much more welcome at bear events (big fan of Bearracuda).

Anyhow, I&#039;d recommend BiggerCity. It&#039;s much more chaser-friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I&#8217;ve had the same problems at times, but a lot of bears are pretty welcoming. Gay men can be very cliquish. As a kind of twinky guy who pretty much dates bear/cub types exclusively, I&#8217;ve often felt resentment from other twinky guys when I&#8217;ve brought a bear along to a twinky place. You can see it in their eyes, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221; and &#8220;Such a waste. Tragic, really.&#8221; I&#8217;ve felt much more welcome at bear events (big fan of Bearracuda).</p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;d recommend BiggerCity. It&#8217;s much more chaser-friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: In Which Beard Season Brings Out The Bears Of Fall &#171; This Recording</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-20002</link>
		<dc:creator>In Which Beard Season Brings Out The Bears Of Fall &#171; This Recording</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some sort of Caveman Bearlesque spectacle. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-2/#comment-11800</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I thought it was just me.  If you aren&#039;t a hairy, bearded, hugh man I guess you can&#039;t get on.  I was &#039;rejected&#039; and sent to gay411. I wanted to tell them to go fuck themselves.  Being a bear is as much of a state of mind as it is being hairy and having a beard (can&#039;t grow one, can I help that?).   Muscled and smooth I guess just wasn&#039;t &#039;bear&#039; enough for bear411</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I thought it was just me.  If you aren&#8217;t a hairy, bearded, hugh man I guess you can&#8217;t get on.  I was &#8216;rejected&#8217; and sent to gay411. I wanted to tell them to go fuck themselves.  Being a bear is as much of a state of mind as it is being hairy and having a beard (can&#8217;t grow one, can I help that?).   Muscled and smooth I guess just wasn&#8217;t &#8216;bear&#8217; enough for bear411</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/running-with-the-bears/comment-page-1/#comment-11429</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, what sucks about bear411.com is that there&#039;s actually a &quot;chaser&quot; category. So this implies if you are not a bear (however one defines it) you should be able to register. Honestly, any site that &quot;restricts&quot; membership in this way shouldn&#039;t even be solicited by the gay community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what sucks about bear411.com is that there&#8217;s actually a &#8220;chaser&#8221; category. So this implies if you are not a bear (however one defines it) you should be able to register. Honestly, any site that &#8220;restricts&#8221; membership in this way shouldn&#8217;t even be solicited by the gay community.</p>
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